Managed, cheap, DC power switches

[Brandon Bennett]

I have a need for cheap managed DC power switches for our OSS and
Monitoring (backoffice). I was wondering what everyone else have
found in this space. I am currently using Cisco 2950's, but those are
still 2.5K list and seems like too much to spend on something so
trivial.

I am looking for something with:
* Better port density (48 ports per 1U), but 24 ports would work.
* IOS like configuration (not needed, but would be nice not to
crosstrain my team) I really don't want anything that is Web only.
* CHEAP. The gear is mostly just for monitoring and big backplanes
and features are not really needed.

Thanks,

Brandon

[Tim Sanderson]

2.5K? No way. Get used or refurbished from Network Hardware or similar outlet. We rarely buy new. Used gear works just fine.

--
Tim Sanderson, network administrator
***@donet.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Bennett [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:21 AM
To: ***@nanog.org
Subject: Managed, cheap, DC power switches

I have a need for cheap managed DC power switches for our OSS and
Monitoring (backoffice). I was wondering what everyone else have
found in this space. I am currently using Cisco 2950's, but those are
still 2.5K list and seems like too much to spend on something so
trivial.

I am looking for something with:
* Better port density (48 ports per 1U), but 24 ports would work.
* IOS like configuration (not needed, but would be nice not to
crosstrain my team) I really don't want anything that is Web only.
* CHEAP. The gear is mostly just for monitoring and big backplanes
and features are not really needed.

Thanks,

Brandon

[Paul Stewart]

Or at least buy Cisco refurb and save $$$...;)

We have lots of 2950's in use ... moving to 2960's for low end
applications currently - then moving to 3560 etc from there....

You might also checkout the Express500 stuff... more basic switch and
priced right.....

Paul


-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Sanderson [mailto:***@donet.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 2:00 PM
To: ***@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Managed, cheap, DC power switches

2.5K? No way. Get used or refurbished from Network Hardware or similar
outlet. We rarely buy new. Used gear works just fine.

--
Tim Sanderson, network administrator
***@donet.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Brandon Bennett [mailto:***@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 16, 2008 11:21 AM
To: ***@nanog.org
Subject: Managed, cheap, DC power switches

I have a need for cheap managed DC power switches for our OSS and
Monitoring (backoffice). I was wondering what everyone else have
found in this space. I am currently using Cisco 2950's, but those are
still 2.5K list and seems like too much to spend on something so
trivial.

I am looking for something with:
* Better port density (48 ports per 1U), but 24 ports would work.
* IOS like configuration (not needed, but would be nice not to
crosstrain my team) I really don't want anything that is Web only.
* CHEAP. The gear is mostly just for monitoring and big backplanes
and features are not really needed.

Thanks,

Brandon






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[Patrick Giagnocavo]

Post by Paul Stewart
Or at least buy Cisco refurb and save $$$...;)
We have lots of 2950's in use ... moving to 2960's for low end
applications currently - then moving to 3560 etc from there....
You might also checkout the Express500 stuff... more basic switch and
priced right.....
Paul

Please, stay away from the Express 500 stuff if you value your time!

The technical term for the Catalyst Express line is "crap" .

As in "oh crap, the network is not working again..."

--Patrick

[Jason Gurtz]

***.network-liquidators.***

I am amazed that two people now have spoken positively about these folks.
I had to threaten to get them to stop contacting me...and if I get one
more phone call *&Q@$)(^%#

I'll add that the pricing on the initial quote I requested for a used
3640A and NM-2W was not even attractive.

~JasonG

--

[Tim Sanderson]

I was not talking about network liquidators...I was referring to Network Hardware Resale (NHR)-different company. Good quality gear. Good service.

http://www.networkhardware.com/

--
Tim Sanderson, network administrator
***@donet.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Jason Gurtz [mailto:***@npumail.com]
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM
To: ***@nanog.org
Subject: RE: Managed, cheap, DC power switches

***.network-liquidators.***

I am amazed that two people now have spoken positively about these folks.
I had to threaten to get them to stop contacting me...and if I get one
more phone call *&Q@$)(^%#

I'll add that the pricing on the initial quote I requested for a used
3640A and NM-2W was not even attractive.

~JasonG

--

[Matthew Crocker]

I purchased my GSR8 from NHR, 2 DC power supplies and it arrived
missing one of the plastic protective covers, hardly mission critical
but it arrived fedex, the next day and I didn't need to call them on
it. VERY happy with NHR

Post by Tim Sanderson
I was not talking about network liquidators...I was referring to
Network Hardware Resale (NHR)-different company. Good quality gear.
Good service.
http://www.networkhardware.com/
--
Tim Sanderson, network administrator
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 9:58 AM
Subject: RE: Managed, cheap, DC power switches

***.network-liquidators.***

I am amazed that two people now have spoken positively about these folks.
I had to threaten to get them to stop contacting me...and if I get one
I'll add that the pricing on the initial quote I requested for a used
3640A and NM-2W was not even attractive.
~JasonG
--

[Jay R. Ashworth]

On Thu, Jul 17, 2008 at 11:05:57AM -0400, Jay R. Ashworth wrote:
[ Network Liquidators ]

Well, I called them, on a recommendation, rather than the other way
around... but several people have suggested to me off-list that the
premium I paid them for the parts I needed wasn't really justified by
the fact that it was July 3rd. :-}

For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price, and
he gave it back to me, telling me that ProCurve switches will only
accept ProCurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both because
they're compatible, and because they're SFP.

Cheers,
-- jra

[Seth Mattinen]

Post by Jay R. Ashworth
For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price, and
he gave it back to me, telling me that ProCurve switches will only
accept ProCurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both because
they're compatible, and because they're SFP.

Recent ProCurve switches only accept "rev B" modules; I have a new-ish
switch that won't accept a pile of Finisar optics that did work in older
HP switches. I don't know what the difference between "rev B" and older
ones are, though.

[Hyunseog Ryu]

I think this vendor-supported SFP was big issue from HP ethernet switch
since it was appeared from HP ethernet switch firmware upgrade without
much attention.
It should be standard, so it shouldn't matter which vender's SFP is.
But since HP decided to stick with their own SFP, some third party
vendor starts to ask for which vendor's equipment to be used with SFP,
and they programmed firmware to simulate specific vendor's SFP by
placing vendor code or something like that.

Sometimes when I ordered specific vendor's Part Number for SFP from
specific vendor's reseller, still it is delivered with third party
vendor's SFP.
I don't know whether reseller is making money because of price
difference, or not.


Hyun

This reason is twofold, one is Resellers were just buying whatever cheap
gbics they could and bundling them with Procurve switches (I'm sure this
happens to other vendors too). Thus most of the profitable parts of
switch sales were being eroded by the resellers.
The other is that Procurve offers a lifetime warranty on most (possibly
all) of their products, including gbics I believe, thus the premium. I
believe you can just RMA a Procurve GBIC, and they will send you a new
one, no receipts, no worries, no expiration, no service contract.
He shouldn't have to eat 300 gbics unless he bought non-Procurve ones to
begin with. HP should be able to exchange/reprogram them if they were
HP Gbics.
Steve

Post by Tim Sanderson
-----Original Message-----
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 1:32 PM
Subject: OT: GBIC compatibility and pricing (was Managed, cheap,DC

power switches)

Post by Tim Sanderson

Post by Jay R. Ashworth
For what it's worth, I gave the sales rep what-for about the price,

and

Post by Tim Sanderson

Post by Jay R. Ashworth
he gave it back to me, telling me that Procurve switches will only
accept Procurve(-compatible) SFP GBICs, which cost more, both

because

Post by Tim Sanderson

Post by Jay R. Ashworth
they're compatible, and because they're SFP.

Recent Procurve switches only accept "rev B" modules; I have a

new-ish

Post by Tim Sanderson

switch that won't accept a pile of Finisar optics that did work in

older

Post by Tim Sanderson

HP switches. I don't know what the difference between "rev B" and

older

Post by Tim Sanderson

ones are, though.

Specifically, that rep (Bill Billings) told me that a *firware

upgrade*

Post by Tim Sanderson
broke compatibility with the old GBICs, which *originally* worked, and
he ended up eating nearly 300 of them at one point.
But we're probably off topic now. :-)
Cheers,
-- jra
--
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Designer The Things I Think

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Post by Tim Sanderson
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Post by Tim Sanderson
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647 1274

Post by Tim Sanderson
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[Jay R. Ashworth]

Specifically, that rep (Bill Billings) told me that a *firware upgrade*
broke compatibility with the old GBICs, which *originally* worked, and
he ended up eating nearly 300 of them at one point.

On a related topic, I walked the SNMP on the switch, and I don't see a
way to read the SFF8472 DOM parameters out; anyone got a pointer?

Cheers,
-- jra

[Jay R. Ashworth]

Post by Tim Sanderson
2.5K? No way. Get used or refurbished from Network Hardware or similar
outlet. We rarely buy new. Used gear works just fine.

Indeed. I just had to put my hands on my GBICs and a module for a
4200vl on short notice, and conveniently, Network Liquidators is about
30 miles from me. The sales rep, with the unlikely name of Bill
Billings (which isn't as unusual, admittedly, as Courtney Courtney),
was quite helpful and almost unreasonably solicitous. I don't actually
know: is $200 for a new aftermarket multimode GBIC a deal? :-)

Cheers,
-- jra